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Also, lets face it,20% of students drop out due to POOR TEACHING or what I call bullshit teaching. My mentor a graduate course at NYU and showed students a short film on the Internment of Japanese during WW2. One black student in class became very angry because she felt her education was inadequate because she was never taught about this terrible period of history. Whereas for me, with no degree, always read books, watch documentaries, articles, blogs, and am more educated than typical college graduates because I diversify my education to develop a world perspective. It was this pathetic type of education in history (my love) where teachers spoke 10 minutes about slavery (Mr. Ketchum, this is NOT a black studies class) that motivated me to drop out and educate myself because students AND professors were not reading the types of books that I found my historical truths in. There were so many times I wanted to tie up the teacher and teach the course myself because history is not about the victors who wrote it but about how people were oppressed by those who celebrated it. I miss you Howard Zinn (The People’s History of the United States). I wish I could have had such a teacher who was kicked out of a historically black college early in his teaching career.

We need an education that matters and not the bullshit that calls itself education. John Taylor Gatto (Dumbing Us Down) I love you man. I can keep throwing the books that were not part of my college curriculum such as the Falsification of AFrican Consciousness by Dr. Amos Wilson which taught me how black power was neutralized and how to get it back in BLUEPRINT FOR BLACK POWER. These books will never be taught in schools but I am more educated because of them.

Education is about power

I do not possess any bachelors or master’s degree but am a graduate of Malcolm X University (think about that one)which has served me very well. I make in the mid fifties and continue to pursue free education in this industry where I will return to complete college and have finished my required 350 CASAC hours (Credentialed Alcohol and Substance Abuse Counselor) for certification, which I also obtained a scholarship for by a very loving pastor whose school has closed recently (Love you Pastor Ferrand). Realize I am only attending college in order to be able to sign my name on particular documents that require higher education such as a CASAC or Masters in Public Health.

I told my best friend when he got his girlfriend pregnant a 2nd time, to quit trying to finish engineering at CCNY where he lost his scholarship due to the need to work, and pursue a career as a water treatment plant tech and he packed up his bags in the Bronx and relocated to Hollywood, Florida where he currently works making in the mid fifties and lives with his now wife and 2 kids.

Colleges are money making mills for professors and the power elite. I firmly believe that my little St. Patrick’s Long Island City elementary school education to the fourth grade, St. Barnabas in Alameda, CA fourth grade education, Luling Elementary School 5-6th grade education, Edgar Allen Poe 7th-9th Grade education as an honor student was all I needed to develop a passion for learning and cultivate my ability to master information. Earlier this week, I went to my high school website and was blown away by their vision statement:

G.W. Brackenridge High School is dedicated to graduating all students as empowered, community-minded, college-ready students who think innovatively, reason logically, and contribute as 21st Century globally-competent citizens.

What a vision statement. If all high schools empowered their students to become community minded, college competitive globally competent citizens, there would be little need for overpriced universities. We still need doctors, engineers, architects at colleges, but for the rest of us, there has to be a better way. I wasted over $10K when I attended a state university but dropped out when my father passed away and I had to take care of his estate. This state university did not refund me nor did they ask me to return the next semester after I took a leave of absence without charge. They are such blood suckers and this is why this country is in the state it is in. There is very little value in modern education because if the education had value, then why is this country in economic decline?

Colleges do not have answers. They have failed us. Milton Friedman’s theories were a fraud. Why haven’t we done so much better? Capitalism under the current system is destroying all resources on this planet. It doesn’t take a college education to know this. When a junior high school Canadian student illustrates how radiation has contaminated most fish coming from the West coast when the Canadian government has not, this is proof that the education system is worthless.

Being in my mid fifties, I can now shut up the mouth’s of most professors in my area of expertise. This is due to my education AND experience applying what I have learned. Thank you Mommy and Dad for giving me the best education I could ever get and that is mostly in Catholic school. The Jesuit’s knew what they were doing when they said: “give me a child when they are young and we will make then………..etc…”. You know what I mean. The best education is always the first one because that determines where you will go in life.

Although we can agree on the point that Most of the English and History degrees are useless (and I say that being pretty much an overstretched italian historian(but again, we don’t have expensive taxes on University)) you cannot disagree with me in noticing how the younger mind have to be taught how to think and how to study.
And because you cannot impose to a 11-years-old to study the constitution of the USA or the most complex chemical element of the brain, you will have to make them start with something a little bit easier, that could be a training and an exercise for the days in which he or she will have to study long nights in anatomopatology.

Who is going to teach him or her How to study?
would you choose your son’s professor between people to whom nobody taught?

Wikipedia offers the same content of these Jeopardy degrees and for FREE.

Caveat emptor. Hope you like fries with that.

Recently, I took a class on writing that had nearly 43,000 students from almost country in the world. Language problems and time zone alignment made it difficult if not impossible for students to have any direct access with faculty.

Today, MOOC credits are useless and not transferable though you might get a certificate from the instructor or the institution.

Nevertheless, MOOC is free, classes are at exceptionable schools and can be taken to learn more about your career, the world economy your business competes in or you can take a course to expand your knowledge in an area that you are curious about. Fine art to nanotechnology there is a course for everyone.

But, I think college and grad school will remain essential for a long while.

My Masters education didn’t just give me ‘knowledge’ it taught me the skills of critical thinking, reflective practice and task focussed discipline. Those skills I wouldn’t have picked up on Youtube whilst others might have been born with these skills, but such naturally gifted people are rare in my experience.

However there is a massive assumption in this piece that college educations will not adapt to include decentralised information (and the knowledge of how to continually acquire it) and processes to utilise that in the curriculum, mine did (I achieved my under and post gradulate qualifications mostly online).

So in this comment I critically assessed the piece of work, surfaced some underlying assumptions and delivered a reasoned critique, all essential skills in a senior level career and ones that I personally couldn’t have fully developed without a college education.

Why We Won’t Need College in 15 Years
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While I agree that technology makes self-education and entrepreneurship viable, I am less certain that the tradition of college will become obsolete in the near future. It will be interesting to see! icareeradvice

Could this skills-based credential system along with Massive
Open Online Courses (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_open_online_course)
be among the game changers in our self-perpetuating elitist and often
impractical out of touch higher education system that often forces
inexperienced young students to choose uncertain career/education paths
leaving them without practical employable skills and with massive amount
of debt?

http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-skills-better-than-degrees-2013-8

The education required to read and comprehend a newspaper relates more to a high school education which is beyond the scope of this post.

“The real value comes from the assignments, especially groupwork.”

The majority of the assignments (think weekly & daily assignments) come from textbooks. As you allude to, universities are shifting more and more towards group-based learning which shifts the “teacher” role away from the professors and more towards your peers. Why can’t this be replicated in an online forum environment? You’re practicing the writing, analysis, and (I assume) the research right now by posting.

“I suppose you could gain those skills on the job if A) someone would hire you, B) that employer would spend the money to train you.”

This is a good point. There was a study a few years back that said students show no academic gains in their first two years of college…

http://wallstreetpit.com/57709-report-first-two-years-of-college-show-small-academic-gains/

…what if you spent 2 of your 4 college years doing an internship? The cost of training you would be offset by the effect of your relatively low cost to the employer. Employers typically favor candidates who show they can do the job over unproven candidates.

“I’ve known several people get jobs that normally require degrees and do well without one, but they have a very difficult time moving on or getting promoted”

True. This goes back to my statement about how to employers won’t accept anything other than a traditional college education. If you consider higher education to be a business market and look at the potential disruption of this market in the context of the diffusion of innovations theory, employers would be categorized in the late-majority/laggards group. This means it would take longer for them to accept this change but doesn’t necessarily mean it wouldn’t happen.

Just being able to Google a subject does not mean mastery. Far more important than the course content, which is easily forgotten, are the writing, analysis and research skills required. College is far more than sitting through lectures. The real value comes from the assignments, especially groupwork.

I suppose you could gain those skills on the job if A) someone would hire you, B) that employer would spend the money to train you. That defies the current trends in hiring and cost-cutting in industry. It also limits you to the job you actually get. I’ve known several people get jobs that normally require degrees and do well without one, but they have a very difficult time moving on or getting promoted. Even if you are lucky to get an employer who will invest in your skills, you will be hard pressed to find one that invests in your skills for your next position.

Keep in mind that self-employment in the US has dropped from 25% of non-farm employment in 1950 to 7% today (per the BLS) and one reason for that is too many people assume that a traditional college education and corporate employment is the only way to go. This is also one of the reasons behind rising tuition costs (i.e. demand). In reality, though, there are plenty of self-employment options and ways that you can adequately educate yourself to take advantage of these opportunities. As I stated in the post, the infrastructure is already being built to fuel this system.

To take the argument of lower reliance of a traditional college education further, the goal of top universities isn’t to be a funnel of talent to corporate employers. They have their own priorities (research probably being the top priority for most). Preparing students for corporate employment is largely a by-product of whatever their top priority is and, as a result, corporate employers complain that new grads aren’t adequately prepared for the working world. At some point, somebody will find a way to better fulfill corporate employers needs and do it for less time and money. This will provide yet another alternative to a traditional college education.

Regardless, I’ll address your points. Advanced scientific research and peer reviews of this research are more a part of graduate school work, not undergrad, so that’s beyond the scope of this post (but those are valid points as to why universities won’t go away entirely). For undergraduate programs, a lab environment can be addressed much like remote test proctoring is addressed today. A third party could establish proctored labs across the country so students of Udacity classes, for instance, would have access to a laboratory environment. As for knowledgeable professors in undergraduate programs, you likely won’t have the opportunity to study under one today in a class of less than 100 until your senior year (junior year, if you’re lucky). It’s far more common for you to have a graduate student teaching the material. A student teacher could easily be replaced by establishing a system of community learning where your peers help you understand the material. In fact, a lot of online graduate programs already do this and, as I mentioned in an earlier comment, this works surprisingly well on programming forums like stackoverflow. There’s also the added bonus of the question being recorded for posterity so that future students can reference it though, say, a Google search.

I think the early adopters of this system will mostly be entrepreneurs but, eventually, corporate employers will become more open to it. Right now there’s a lack of alignment between universities and corporate employers. Most employers are looking for candidates with a specialized education whereas universities are more focused on providing a broad, well-rounded education. Eventually someone will find a way to work with corporate employers to develop a very-focused curriculum that will produce qualified candidates in half the time of a traditional college education. If you can get the buy-in of corporate employers, the disruption will really take off.

While I agree that technology makes self-education and entrepreneurship viable, I am less certain that the tradition of college will become obsolete in the near future. It will be interesting to see!

It’s hard for people to stick with self-study because they are using tools and infrastructure built for traditional classroom learning. As time goes by, more and more tools will be created to facilitate self-study. These tools will likely place an emphasis on engagement since, as you mention, most won’t have the discipline to study on their own.

Restructuring curriculums around requiring the student to complete daily/weekly exams instead of completing an exam once every two months, for example, would increase engagement. We also need to shift from a lecturing environment to a more hands-on environment. Lectures typically aren’t engaging, interactive projects are. This is what tools like Udacity are moving towards and what a lot of the online graduate programs being offered through universities look like.

If you look at a traditional college-level Calculus course, for instance, the majority of your learning time is spent doing problems in the textbook and studying the problems/solutions until you gain an understanding. Very little learning occurs by sitting in a classroom and listening to a lecture. You learn by doing.

What’s stopping you from cutting out the lecture and the tuition cost by downloading the course syllabus, buying the textbook, and doing the problems on your own? At the same time, what if there was a internet forum of other people trying to learn the same object where you could ask questions on the areas where you got stuck? There are forums for computer programming (stackoverflow.com, etc) that already perform this function. In that scenario, you wouldn’t have to learn on your own but you would still be bypassing the traditional college education. As I mentioned in the post, the tools are out there.